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Woman sneaks on to Delta flight without ticket or ID

Discussion in 'Latest Airline Incidents' started by Kevin, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. Kevin

    Kevin Hangar Bronze Member IV

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    According to Fox News a woman without a ticket or boarding pass and no ID managed to make on board Delta flight 1518 from Orlando to Atlanta on October 6.

    The woman was confronted by the actual ticket holder and refused to move saying she had a boarding pass for this seat.

    The other passenger got a flight attendant who confirmed the woman was not on the passenger manifest. When the Flight Attendant asked her for the boarding pass she claims she threw it away. according to the police report.

    When asked to see her ID she presented a picture of herself on her cell phone and was told by the flight attendant that is not government ID and she was violating Federal Law.

    The pilot and supervisor attempted to get her to leave but she refused. The pilot then contacted the police who eventually got her to leave the aircraft but could not produce ID to the Orlando Police. The Transportation Security Administration confirmed that the woman did pass through the TSA check point and screened but does not know how she did it without ID.

    They told her without ID or a boarding pass the woman would have to leave the gate area where the observed get on an elevator to catch a shuttle.

    Meanwhile everyone on board the Delta flight had to be rescreened and their luggage checked and the flight finally departed 3 hours late for Atlanta.

    An aviation professor for the University of Denver said that despite the outcome to a certain extent the system worked because the number of people on the plane did not meet the number of people on the manifest. Plus the fact since she did go through TSA screening and did not really pose a security risk.

    Delta Airlines made a statement apologizing for the delay but would not discuss the incident any further except the incident is extremely rare and they are cooperating with the TSA in its own and Delta's internal investigation. The Orlando Police notified the FBI.

    Sorry guys, this is not 1970 with Helen Hayes trying to smooze herself on a flight to see here daughter in NY. This woman should have been arrested. Or was the TSA and Delta to concerned what shortcomings both Delta and the TSA have that might have been exposed. This is a teachable moment. Learn from it. The next screw up might not be just a lady trying to get to Atlanta. Unbelievable.
     
  2. Everett 757

    Everett 757 Hangar Silver Member VII

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    Exuma Guy Hangar Silver Member VI

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    Helen Hayes was a classy lady. I talked with her many times as she walked her dog. She had a beautiful house over-looking the Hudson River just north of the big city. The present owner saw fit to build a 10 foot high brick in front of the house. Just as well, no one likes Rosie O-Donnell anyway....
     
  4. Kevin

    Kevin Hangar Bronze Member IV

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    I can see her being that way. She was perfect for the role in the original Airport. I wish I could have met her. I did meet Catherine Hepburn who would rent a car from the Hertz Rent A Car on E48th St in Manhattan every weekend during the summer to go to her house in Conn. She was fascinating, she would sit in the managers office waiting for her car and just talk about everything you think of. No fancy airs about her just like talking to your aunt or grandmother. She had a younger nervous assistant with her who would ask "Kate are you driving today?" The answer would vary with her mood I guess. On time we gave her a Mercedes she returned it back on Monday saying it was too small, she liked the original Crown Victoria or the Olds Delta 88, Every time we gave her one of those it and she drove it would come back with minor body damage. We never pursued it. I am glad I had the opportunity to meet her and so many times at that. Two great actresses Helen Hays and Catherine Hepburn.
     
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    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

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    Of course, this 'professor'(liberal a$$hole) from Denver seems in favor of shipping illegals all over the US on the taxpayers dime too. He actually exposed the shortcomings of the TSA. What if this 'Poor ole lady' was a terrorist nutjob?
     
  6. Kevin

    Kevin Hangar Bronze Member IV

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    You're right LL. I don't know how she slipped thru the TSA checkpoint without ID. Of course I work at a much smaller airport than MCO but your first encounter at the check point is where they check your ID. At SWF they use UV lights, scan the back of Driver's License and Passports and also some other scanner that I'm not quite sure what it does but I guess records the document.

    My other theory is she may be an airside vendor employee showed that ID and went through. In any case she should have been arrested and "questioned" what a great idea maybe they could figure out where the system broke down.

    Before getting my job at Korvettes Department Stores where I spent 5 years working in the Audio Dept. after classes after High School and College I had 3 other jobs 2 which lasted 1 day.

    The first one was my paper route which I had no issues with,

    The second one was working a "Boiler Room" and cold calling names out of the Queens White Pages trying to sell time shares in the Poconos. Five hours of that was enough for me.

    The other was working security at JFK for Wackenhut Security. A friend of mine who knew I liked aviation took a job with them for the summer and asked me if I would be interested in the job. I filled out the application got the job I was told because I was recommended by my friend (I suspect I would have gotten it just because I had a pulse). They gave me 3 white shirts, a blue something tie ,2 grey pair of slacks and blue blazer with the Wackenhut logo on it.

    I started my first day at the International Arrivals Building at JFK where they took the new hires to a conference room and gave us about 2 hours worth of training. One they informed us they do not use X-Ray machines because searching carry on luggage by hand is more thorough (and cheaper) and they taught us how to read the meter on the magnetometer and how to use the "barbeque starter" the nickname for the wand you pass over someone who sets off the metal detector but never really explained what it does if metal is found.

    Then the instructor told us that if any passenger asked what our qualifications were, we were to tell them we where trained at the Wackenhut Security Academy in Coral Gables, FL for 3 weeks.

    Then they took us out to the gates. The IAB at JFK was kind of a strange setup. No windows to look out at the apron and no central security screening point. Each gate had its own security checkpoint.

    Because I was could speak Spanish pretty well they buddied me up with my friend who was part Colombian his mother worked for the Colombian Consulate to the UN but was actually born in Spain, so I guess he was part Spanish and spoke it fluently. They put us at the gates that handled Avianca, LanChile, and one more South American Airline I can't recall.

    So for $2.75 an hour I went through dirty underwear, socks, porn magazines, and some things I had no idea what they were no, latex gloves used back then by the way. Then I hit the jackpot. I opened one guys bag and inside was a machete, yes a machete. I immediately motioned for the supervisor who came over and took the machete and tried to explain to the man he could not bring this on the plane.

    The guy went crazy. Now I understood Spanish but the kind you learn in school, Castilian Spanish, with this guys dialect I could understand only every other word. The supervisor asked my friend to explain to him we could give the machete to the Senior Flight Attendant who would lock it up safely and return it to him when they landed and he deplaned. Imagine this happening today?

    I did understand when he said this belonged to his Grandfather and it would not leave his sight etc etc.

    The whole thing ended with the Port Authority Police arresting the guy for disorderly conduct (not trying to bring a machete on a plane) and he kicked his suitcase so that it hit me in the face and emptied his belongings on me and the floor.

    At the end of my shift I went to the locker room hung up the uniform put on my T-shirt and jeans and never went back.

    My friend called me the next day and asked why I didn't show up and I said the job was not for me. He said he was sorry but he thought I would like working at JFK. Yeah I would have but not as a bogus rent-a-cop.

    So I wonder how much better the TSA is 40 years later?
     
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    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

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    :p Paper route with no 'issues' with? No wonder it only lasted one day. Can't deliver nothing, lol.(you don't know when yer punny do ya) I worked in the Hardware/Automotive dept. at E.J. Korvettes, the home of the best record dept in the world at the time(except 'Sam the Record Man' on Yongue St., Toronto). Never knew why Korvettes went out of business except corruption I guessed. We had 7 stores in the Detroit area. To this day, I can't stand the Beech Boys because they played their Xmas songs tape over and over and over. Now I dunno if this is true or not, but the store got it's name because it was established by E ight J ewish KORean VETTEranS. What you think Kevin? Btw, I don't like thieves either, but the guy who was head of the 'loss prevention' dept at Korvettes was a real d!ck and everyone hated him although he was pretty good at chasing down shoplifters. I will never forget the one he chased down(probably a black ops Vietnam vet) that beat his a$$ into the pavement so bad(within an inch of his life) that the guy never came back to work, lol. Never heard another word about him either.
     
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  8. Kevin

    Kevin Hangar Bronze Member IV

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    Korvettes did have the BEST Record Department and of course was right next to the Audio Department. I bought a book back in the mid 80's called "More Than They Bargained For, the Rise and Fall of Korvettes written by a business writer for the NY Times. He contributes the failure to Eugene Ferkauf one of the founders retiring too early followed by a string of incompetent management running the store for years. Also Arlen Realty and Development Corp (that was on the top of my paycheck saying we were a division of but I had no idea what they did) used the profitable Korvettes chain as a cash cow for building their Florida sub divisions and when the recession hit in the late 70's and the Florida building frenzy dried up it left Korvettes cash poor.

    Korvettes was sold to Agache-Willot a French Department Store Chain that promised to invest in Korvettes expanding its Fashion Departments and moving it away from the lower margin hard goods Korvettes was known for. Never happened. Arlen Realty being a real estate company bought the land most of the non-mall Korvettes were built on. The chain was worth more for its real estate than operating it as and ongoing business. Agache-Willot stopped paying vendors and merchandise dried up all purposely done to put the chain into bankruptcy and liquidation so Agache-Willot could sell the real estate. I left in 1979 to go work for Hertz and I still had friends who worked there until New Years Eve 1980 when the store finally shut it doors.

    In a twist of fate Agache-Willot was found to be "cooking the books" by the French Government and itself was dissolved.

    As Far as Eight Jewish Korean War Veterans, that is an urban legend. The E stands for Eugene Ferkauf and the J for Joe Zwillenger the 2 founders who opened the first store in 1948 pre dating the Korean War. The Korvettes was supposed to be Corvette for a Canadian Sub Chaser in WWII but the ship was still in production and there was some law that prevented them from using the name. So they changed the C to a K.

    As far as "Security" or as we call today "Loss Prevention" a lot of those guys scared me. Remember Vietnam had just ended lots of "loss prevention" types available. They must have all been ex-military certainly acted that way. But they would scare the s**t out of unruly customer if you paged them. Four of them would surround the guy and escort him out of the store. They really acted like the employees were scum and out to steal anything they could. I wouldn't want to mess with them.
     
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    Well this one 'loss prevention' wannabe about lost his life that day. The 'customer' beat him to a literal pulp and got away. The Chevy Corvette was also named after the Canadian destroyer as was the Ford Mustang was named after the P-51, finally. So much for name rumors with E.J. Korvettes. I knew its demise was untimely. Met a lotta hot chicks there too, lol
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    I remember one of the causes of 9/11 was the airlines being in charge of their security. It was a low pay position. Many were poorly trained and they did not do the job. Some had criminal records. So the people that worked in security completely missed all the 9/11 hijackers. Baggage searches were a joke. The pay was minimum wage!

    The women should have been arrested for sure. It appears she was just allowed to leave?........o_O How the hell did this happen?

    We soon forgot the the 9/11 hijackers practiced for months to find the weaknesses and then that infamous day that changed America forever occurred ......killing thousands of Americans!
     
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    Everett 757 Hangar Silver Member VII

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    Wow, Kevin! A very interesting job history! Thanks for sharing that, and everything else in the current posts! :cool:
     

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