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Sad state of affairs with the "regulator"...

Discussion in 'FAA News, Opinion and Articles' started by Rotorruss, Jun 21, 2018.

  1. Rotorruss

    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

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    ...and the oversight responsibilities!!! SAD!!!

    https://skift.com/2018/06/20/federa...-faas-safety-oversight-of-southwest-airlines/

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/19/faa-faces-audit-of-airplane-evacuation-standards.html

    Audit away!! The same "bat rastards" who were in charge of SWA in 2007, was the same one in charge of the Alliance Flight program during the helicopter crash!! Now he's in charge of inspector training!!

    They need to audit all the DC Divisions before the "big one" happens!!! NOW!!!

    "Drain the Swamp"!!!
     
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    Exuma Guy Hangar Silver Member V

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    Another 'watchdog' hyping an issue to make a name for himself....
    The airlines have added seats by reducing seat pitch, as he states.
    However, emergency evacuation tests are performed each time seats are added.
    The tests are done by the airline with the FAA in attendance.
    The tests don't need revamping. Does any of this need revamping?

    As for carry-ons, the airlines need to look at themselves.
    If they didn't charge for checked bags, there wouldn't be so many carry-ons.
    If they provided better security against theft, there wouldn't be so many carry-ons.
    If they didn't lose bags, there wouldn't be so many check-ons.
    If they got bags to the belts before the passengers to prevent waiting, there wouldn't be so many carry-ons.
    If they trained the F/A's to be effective without being confrontational, carry-ons wouldn't slow down the evacuation very much.
    If the slide-rafts had heavier material, punctures wouldn't happen.


    The only issue that the 'watchdog' might possibly be correct on is to start conducting tests with carry-ons.
    Carry-ons would be thrown off to the side of the slide-raft before the passengers jump.
    The 90 second rule would still apply.
    Those airlines that couldn't meet 90 seconds with carry-ons would have to increase seat pitch.
     
  3. Rotorruss

    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

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    ...I would love to see the test with a special needs pax intermixed amongst the seats. Would also love to see a few 300# pax to plug the aisle too.

    Testing with average weight and able bodied pax is one thing. Testing with a real life average load is another. Bet a beer to none that current seat configurations won't pass mustard with a real life load.
     
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    Exuma Guy Hangar Silver Member V

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    This just out from the British Airways B-777 engine fire in Las Vegas-
    "During a group debriefing by the Air Accidents Investigation Branch, the flight attendants stated that some passengers evacuated with carry-on baggage; however, the flight attendants thought that carry-on baggage retrieval did not slow the evacuation. They thought that most passengers who retrieved baggage did so after the airplane came to a stop and before the evacuation was commanded and that the flight attendants' assertive commands limited further retrieval. The flight attendants at the two most-used exits (doors 1R and 4L) recalled seeing very little baggage at their exits, and neither cited carry-on baggage as a problem. However, the NTSB notes that the accident airplane was only 55% full."

    Watchdog be damned...
     
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    Exuma Guy Hangar Silver Member V

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    Most airlines use cabin crew to fill seats for the testing, and recruit the general public to fill seats when there aren't enough cabin crew.
    In the US, that means that most of the passengers during testing represent the general public (they fat!).
    Cabin crew are trained to slide down with handicapped persons but this is not done during tests.
    As cabin crew are generally the last to leave the aircraft during an evac, handicapped persons are last to exit also.

    Keep in mind that 90 seconds is the bench-mark for testing with the recognition that real evacs may take a bit longer.
    As for your beer bet, all real life evacs in the last decade have passed muster in that most have been successful.
    I drink expensive liquor, not cheap beer- too bad for you! :D
     
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    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

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    ...I hear that the "regulator" accepts computer animation for evacs. They didn't like the injuries during the demonstration. It's easy to have a real life evac when the plane is only half full.
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Same results as computer aminated sex:cool:
     
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    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

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    ...or riding a moped??
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Accepting computer animation as a evac plan is nothing short of criminal and not acceptable in the real world.

    If FAA is doing this then those that have approved it are signing the death warrant of innocent passengers putting their trust in an agency that is off the rails......What the hell are they thinking?o_O
     
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    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

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    Thinking goes against standard practice. There are several "regulator'' personnel with less than 10 years experience in writing policy. It's no wonder the taxpayers are getting fleeced. Working hand and hand with the operators, giving "compliance actions" for straying from the rules. It's no wonder that the operators do the minimum, they count on not being fined.

    If people are getting hurt on s evac demonstration, what's going to happen when an actual evac?? It's simple logic to think you can shove a 300 pounder through a minimum pitch row. Imagine under the pushing and shoving when that person falls at the exit plugging the over wing exit.

    The operator should start including Cresco on the aircraft equipment list!! Wonder if the computer program can figure the coeificent of friction of Crisco??

    "DRAIN THE SWAMP"!!
     

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