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Response to allergations against FAA

Discussion in 'FAA News, Opinion and Articles' started by Neil Gillissen, Mar 11, 2016.

  1. Neil Gillissen

    Neil Gillissen Hangar Associate Member II

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    Wow I never knew how upset Mr. Wyeroski was to still be slandering myself and Mr. Dipaolo on his bad decision in 2000. I was recently made aware of this website and surprised to see your rules about not attacking people not being followed. To clarify just a few of the many tales I see about myself, I did retire after 22 plus years of federal service, at my own choosing (turned 66). I was not asked to leave, in fact I was asked to stay. I never lied at Mr, Wyeroski’s hearing, court transcripts (Merit Systems Protection Board Docket #NY-0752-03-0080-1-1) with facts of the case and the Judge’s ruling as credible witness, can verify that. I have never been told what to say by any of one in the FAA, when I came to the FAA I had 30 years aviation experience as an A&P / IA, civilian and military. It wasn’t until 2 or 3 years after Mr. Wyeroski was fired that I applied for the job at that Region as a Technical Specialist. There was no reward for testifying against him. I did apologized to him for having to testify against him, not because I was told to, but because I consider him a friend and what he had done was wrong and I could not look the other way.

    I realize after 15 years of stories being told without rebuttal will not convince everyone. I could go into this much deeper but then it would look like I was attacking Mr. Wyeroski and that is not productive nor following your rules. I leave it at this despite what Rich has said about me my reputation as honest and respected maintenance technician and Aviation Safety Inspector is well known. Thank you for allowing me to post this.
     
  2. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Neil

    You know as well as me that Richard Martin had you testify as an FAA expert. Your testimony was flawed with evidence that was contrived and created by Mike Diapolo. The two of you were directed by Martin what to say and what to do. You know it and I know it. The term "actively engaged was contested in the federal register and all the so called evidence agains was rescinded and proved incorrect including your so called testimony.

    I can go into this as deep as you want . I have the evidence and I know the truth. Unfortunately for me administrative law and FAA justice is well know to be corrupt and unfair.

    That day in the diner at Brookhaven airport, you said to me " I am sorry Rich they made me do it" You and I know what they made you do. If you check the record you will find that your testimony was incorrect and Mike Dipaolo mislead the judge with FAA attorney Gotimer. They misled the court and committed fraud upon the court. I will stand behind everything I posted here and I have post evidence to prove what I have said in the form of letters, emails, and FAA documents.

    May God be my judge if anything I have written here is incorrect.

    Richard Wyeroski, former FAA Safety Inspector GS/13-4

    PS :Neil, please contact me anytime. if you will and we can discuss this if you wish. I will be glad to show my evidence.

    Rich
     
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  3. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    BTW Neil, there is quite a bit of info here on FAA corruption all an interesting read

    Rich
     
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  4. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    BTW ...Neil this is an interesting read....the thread covers the facts where DIPAOLO recommended that Ralph become DOM for Excelaire. Remember it was around 2001. We all knew he was not qualified to be DOM and an the resultant mid air that killed 154 innocent souls is forever linked to Mike. Cronyism has always been rampant in FAA as you know

    Rich.................

    PS don't forget to read my NTSB report on the crash

    Did FAA corruption contribute to the crash of GOL 1907, that killed 154?
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  5. Neil Gillissen

    Neil Gillissen Hangar Associate Member II

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    Sorry Rich I don’t intend on responding to anymore post about this, even though I know you will continue to attack me, as I stated early because I feel it against the rules of the website to attack an individual and this would not be productive because it is a he said/she said situation and you have 15 year head start. I only wanted to state my position concerning some of the outlandish accusations you have made over the years. I would be happy to sit down have a coffee with you, but I am afraid any discussion we may have will end up on this website.
     
  6. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Tell you what Neil. We have a little trouble here on this web site. The moderator is working on fixing it, but there is a certain deranged person using false names and I believe he used your name.

    SO if you don't mind, to prove who you are to me, Please just tell me the last proving run we did together in the FAA back in 2002. You know the place they shut the water off on us and we all could not take a shower that day. SO just tell me where that was and I'll know it's you and not that poor sick person harassing our site.

    Regards

    RIch
     
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  7. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    BTW, If we do have a meeting, I would respect what ever you say to me and keep it between us! Unless of course you decide to litigate and I would be foolish to post it here.

    Thanks again:)
     
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  8. Neil Gillissen

    Neil Gillissen Hangar Associate Member II

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    The last proving run I remember doing with you one of the stop was to Alburquerque, New Mexico, I was doing about 10 a year back then with different Inspectors as you know. Mr. Corr was on that trip I believe. We picked up an Inspector from Rochester, he was typed in the aircraft. I am sure you remember that one if it is not the same.
     
  9. Richard Wyeroski

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    I am not sure Neil. However maybe if you would. what was Lester's last name, he was the Assistant Manager from the FSDO

    Thanks
     
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  10. Neil Gillissen

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    Ok enough of the games it was Bragin, and I know you remember it because that proving run we did not complete it because pilots did not complete all of the checks before we started they needed, and the check airman caught it enroute. I hope I don't have to add anymore details to refresh your memory.
     
  11. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    No..that is fine....no games just being careful....

    So let me know if you want to meet....

    The diner on William Floyd North of Sunrise hwy about two miles on the left...?
     
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    OK, now that you have been proven that your hidden skeleton is not me, could you excuse yourself to me on the Complaints from Community thread so that we deal with issues actually related to me and my past and not related to you or your past?
    Please and thank you.
     
  13. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    ....This thread received close to 600 hits. I suppose we all wonder who is looking at it. It is a surprise to me that Mr.Gillissen would comment after all this time . I have posted many threads about FAA corruption and cronyism that have had a lot of information connected to these those threads supporting their accusations against certain individuals in the FAA. The best place for it all in a court of "real" law with a jury, not some bought and paid for MSPB Administrative Law Judge employed by the FAA.

    I often think about had I still been in the FAA how many lives would I have saved. As an Operations Inspector I was very busy helping airmen and investigating accidents and incidents.

    Not to many people out their realize that there are three types of FAA Inspectors. They are Operations, Maintenance and lastly Avionics. The last two have to do with aircraft maintenance and aircraft radios and autopilots. An Operations Inspector has to be involved with pilots that break the rules or those pilots that crash and aircraft. I flown with many pilots that had accidents to see what their problem is. On some of those flights they would have hurt me if I could not take over the aircraft and land it properly.

    When the corrupt and dishonest FAA Management at the Farmingdale FSDO removed me from Federal Service, it was because of political reasons and the "will" and agenda, of that former Manager Richard B. Martin. He used FAA personnel and FAA lawyers to do this. To say Marin lied and contrived a bogus case against me in an under statement.

    So had I still worked for the FAA as an Inspector, I know I would have helped countless airmen and even saved some lives. Since leaving the FAA back in November 2002. I have trained more pilots for their Certificates and Ratings. I currently am an active Flight Instructor and Aircraft Inspector IA. In addition I teach maintenance and work with new mechanic that are applying for their Mechanic Certificates. So I am still giving back to the aviation industry in spite of my problems with the FAA.

    My own accomplishments since becoming a pilot in 1968 and a mechanic in 1992 are many. As a former business man for private corporations I have traveled the world. I flew many different aircraft from a J-3 cub to a Gulf Stream Jet. Having owned 11 aircraft personally and helped new aircraft owners buy over 30 aircraft, I think I know something about Aviation.

    So in closing, since this is Mr. Gillissen's thread, I ask him you told me you would not look the other way and basically did what you did? For the record and all 600 people that have since read this thread, just what was that that?

    BTW remember the Federal Register and the e-mail that Dipaolo had Misiano send around to all the IA's which was directed at me
    https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-08-04/pdf/2011-19741.pdf

    A careful reading of this document will negate your statement under oath as being incorrect.

    In Addition Richard Martin was not a very good manager and eventually was removed from his management position for wasting government time doing a very bad things
    http://www.mspb.gov/netsearch/viewdocs.aspx?docnumber=247306&version=247578&application=ACROBAT

    So in closing and this will be my final statement unless of course, you wish to go deeper. I have many more official documents and FAA inter office memo's and letters rescinding the so called preponderance of so called evidence against me in my case that you and mike Dipaolo were involved in.

    Thank you for responding originally,

    Richard A. Wyeroski, former FAA Operations Inspector GS/13-4
     
  14. Jeff Lewis

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    Hi Neil, I do not know you but we (and this includes Richard) all have something in common: FAA careers. But, Richard and I share another detail: we both spoke up to power at FAA and were severely punished for doing so. Yes, we were FAA whistleblowers, screwed over by an unaccountable bureaucracy for speaking up to fix safety, waste and/or fraud issues.

    I frankly appreciate your recent Post that initiated this thread. It suggests you have substantial decency within your heart and see value in repairing old damages, trying to restore peace. Now, I also do not know Richard personally, in that my FAA service was on the west coast, never in the New York area. But, I have known his story for years, and continue to learn more details, all of which I find extremely credible (and disturbing, as a case study of unaccountable FAA abuse of power), especially given my own FAA experiences.

    So, here is a suggestion, which may help you to see how it has come to pass that, 15-years later, Richard is still needing to talk about what happened, with your involvement. Would you please read another FAA whistleblower retaliation case study, from that same era, at this website: http://aireform.com/whistleblowers/a-case-study/a-whistleblower-retaliation-case-lewis-faa/

    [​IMG]

    This chronology begins with a TV set in a tower cab causing a near-midair that is knowingly swept under the rug. It includes action years later to expose an actual midair (a helicopter and a Cessna, but both were able to land and no injuries) that was also being concealed. It includes pressure on FAA coworkers to make up charges, selectively ignoring details that contradict unsubstantiated charges, manipulating the MSPB appeal process, and also 'collaborating' with the ATC union to ensure FAA's corruption is not exposed.

    I hope you will follow this suggestion, and if you wish to have a civil discussion offline to help moderate this with Richard, I would be happy to help. I am easily reached via the contact page at the aiREFORM website.

    Lastly, I have taken the liberty to copy a few points you listed about your FAA career, and added in-line comments about how this Whistleblower was treated, in retaliation. This is the root of the problem: FAA has too many rogue managers who are not held accountable when they arbitrarily retaliate against some of the best FAA employees, simply because they are brave enough and responsible enough to speak up. [For each bullet below, the intro is what you said; the red italic is what happens in whistleblower (WB) retaliation cases]
    • I did retire after 22 plus years of federal service, at my own choosing (turned 66). WB's do not get to choose when they retire; it is typically forced upon them, and at great cost to their families. College funds suddenly disappear; weddings need to be scaled back; etc.
    • I was not asked to leave, in fact I was asked to stay. WB's are only 'asked to leave' if it is some grotesque manipulation to make a firing look like a voluntary retirement. Take a close look at my own case and tell me: is there anything proper about this, and is it anything but a 'Forced-Voluntary Retirement'?
    • I never lied at Mr. Wyeroski’s hearing, court transcripts (Merit Systems Protection Board Docket #NY-0752-03-0080-1-1) with facts of the case and the Judge’s ruling as credible witness, can verify that. I believe you. You did not need to lie, because the process was about enabling FAA's high-paid lawyers to cherry-pick evidence and help an MSPB ALJ establish just enough pretend-evidence to legitimize a firing. Tell me this: if during a deposition or at trial, you added a comment about how Richard should not have been fired and you have seen other, more substantiated offenses lead to minor discipline, would your statement have been accepted and added into the record, or would it be ignored? I hope you understand: the phenomenon of WB-Retaliation depends on three types of people – a WB, a retaliating manager, and a cast of others who see what is happening and know it is wrong but choose to remain silent, and answer only what they are asked.
    • I have never been told what to say by anyone in the FAA. In my case, I had to spend $30K plus on preparing for and attending an MSPB hearing that never actually commenced. This included depositions. FAA flew up not one but TWO FAA lawyers, to prep the managers and coworker, then sit through hours of objecting so as to steer their responses. The deposition process can be heavily manipulated. Is it possible you went through this and your words were manipulated against Richard?
    • There was no reward for testifying against him. Every one of the FAA personnel involved in my case saw substantial promotions in subsequent years. This goes all the way to the top of the ATC food chain: the initial 'Accountable Official' in my case was in charge of all towers in the western third of the nation. That was Teri Bristol, and she now is ATO-1. She could have objectively looked at the crap non-evidence, but chose not to.
    • I did apologize to him for having to testify against him, not because I was told to, but because I consider him a friend and what he had done was wrong and I could not look the other way. One of my favorite coworkers told me on the phone, months after I was locked out and awaiting my return to work, 'Jeff, I love you like a brother, but I just can't testify on your behalf.' It is honorable you try to clean this up, and see Richard as a friend, but can we all agree, in a workplace such as FAA it is often too scary to speak up, for fear of losing our ability to support our families?
    So, Neil, thanks again for posting and I do hope to hear from you. -Jeff
     
  15. Richard Wyeroski

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    Jeff, I don't know what to say. ..right now. I know your story, because it happens over and over again. What a waste it all is....

    Rich
     
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    Gentlemen I have read your comments and I knew this would happen! First Jeff I read your case and I support Whistleblowers, it sounds like you got a raw deal. There is no doubt in my mind people make mistakes (intentional and unintentional) and cover them up all the time. We would not need a regulatory compliance agency if they didn’t. I have seen incompetents and mismanagement in the FAA and in industry. I have also seen hardworking, honest and dedicated employees and Managers in both. I can only speak for myself personally. Rich was not removed in retaliation for anything that I am aware of he was not a Whistleblower at the time. I will also point out that the letter Rich references from John Allen Dated Aug, 31, 2010 clearly states that I and Mr. Dipaulo were following guidance published in 1988 which was in effect in 2003 and in 2010 and that the Federal Register, dated 2011 was when a change to the policy was made. I will answer your question Rich, “I ask him you told me you would not look the other way and basically did what you did? For the record and all 600 people that have since read this thread, just what was that that?” Rich, you made a choice to pursue obtaining your IA so you could work on your own aircraft (your testimony) after being told by a number of experienced Maintenance Inspectors who had no personal relationship, other than coworkers, that you did not meet the requirements. I could not say you met the requirements when clearly didn’t at the time working as a full time operations inspector. As you stated in your post you flew airplanes and was a dispatcher before you came to the FAA, you may have a lot of maintenance experience now, but at that time you didn’t. I earned my IA in 1978, after working in the aviation maintenance field for 9 years. It meant something to me and carries a lot of responsibility; lives are at stake if I screw up. Your comments’ brushing off Maintenance and Avionics Inspectors shows why you didn’t have the experience.

    Rich I wish I could help you move on from attacking myself and Mike, but as Jeff point’s out probably will not happen. Thanks Jeff for your offer. Sorry Rich I said I wasn’t going do this, but when I read more of your posts I realized how many times you called me a liar, I thought I would add a little more to my side. I think if we attached the Initial /Final Decision by the court I think it might shed more light on the he said/ she said statements that are going back and forth.
     
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    Rich Wyeroski Reply to Neil Gillissen:

    Interesting reply Neil. I have read it a few times and it has a couple of flaws in it pertaining to me.

    First off and most importantly, I do not believe that the person that started this tread is Neil Gillissen. All the information stated here has been posted on AIRNATION'S FAA FORUM. Unfortunately we have a few persons or person(s) harassing this site .

    I will ask the moderator to give the location by country where the IP address is from. I had worked with Mr. Gillissen in the FAA for over 4 yerars and I know him pretty well. He also knows me as well.

    I have too much respect for AIRNATION and the many people here that care about aviation safety to keep this going unless I am perfectly sure the member that started this post is indeed Neil Gillissen.

    BTW please call me Neil, you do have my number, if it is you. I would greatly appreciate that.

    Thank you,


    Richard A. Wyeroski former FAA Operations Inspector GS-13/4
     
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    Rich, Sorry after 13 years I do not have your phone number, I will tell you that I came from Maine, that should satisfy you because that is not posted anywhere. My comments are based on your statements on this website because they are your words not mine, as I said in the beginning I do not wish to attack you only to defend myself. You do not have to reply, I only ask that you stop calling myself and Mike a liar. Focus on other aviation issue you see or read about. Your desire to do good in this industry is overshadow by your bitterness to the FAA, Mike and me.
     
  19. Richard Wyeroski

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    IT IS NEIL GILLISSEN!

    Okay checking the IP address, it turns out the location matches the address and I feel confident that Neil Gillissen is the author of this thread. Unfortunately one can not be too careful. However, Sam keeps a good handle on everything and kicks the trouble makers out when he has to.

    Okay Neil, you say I have called you and Mike a Liar. Well, for the record I was qualified to hold an IA on my Mechanic Certificate, since the regulation is simple and clear( if any one believes a FAR is clear) When I was hired by the FAA in 1998, I held an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate ATP and a Airframe and Power Plant A&P. At the time of my removal from the FAA I was actively engaged working on my own aircraft and friends aircraft while being employed by the FAA full time as an Operations Inspector.

    During my so called trial in 2003, you stated under oath incorrect information that was given to you by Richard B. Martin. Mike Dipaolo created the so called evidence that was at best contrived, false and inaccurate. The Judge was confused and my removal from the FAA was political because of my refusal to look the other way and not report runway incursions and problems in the field. I had been warned by FAA management not to do this, because that is not how things are done.

    BTW I have documentation to support my statements. What you participated in was a terrible thing to do to anyone. You elected to act as an FAA expert and Support false statements.

    I have exposed Mike DipAolo was what he was, A liar. He helped mislead the so called FAA Judge. He continued to harass me and in 2010 tried once again remove an IA I had earned legally on false evidence again. You know what happened with it all. It went to the Federal Register and FAA legal in Washinghton rescinded all the confusing, inaccurate data, that was not National Policy. Remember that mess?

    So I elected to expose DipAolo for what he was. So in closing for now, if you feel slighted and your reputation as you say is been slandered, then take it to court. I would recommend that you use a jury and let them decide instead of a bought and paid for FAA Administrative Law Judge.

    Lastly Neil, you made your deal with the devil and survived in the FAA to retire with a pension and money and had an easy job sitting in the Region. Good for you, is seems crime does pay.

    Lastly, the attached thread is about Mikie and his games he played while in the FAA. Remember the 173 people that died under the FSDO watch. The games that were played in the FSDO under Martin are criminal.

    http://airnation.net/hangar/threads...o-the-crash-of-gol-1907-that-killed-154.7866/

    So Neil lets meet any time. Don't worry I am a good Christian and believe in the lord and would never hurt anyone.;)

    BTW please respond if you will

    Ricard Wyeroski former FAA Operations Inspector GS-13/4
     
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    Rich as I said in the beginning this is a He said / She said, so to be fair to you and me I am attaching a link to the MSPB Initial Decision with the facts and reasoning why the judge made his decision in case you don’t have a copy. If you carefully read the note on the first page it goes to credibility.

    https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/cc7fa65e-7e47-4b5c-840c-8c4742201b9b

    I can ignore that last remark because I know you are angry, but I have to ask you again to stop making up stories about me, like the reasons why I retired, that I got rewarded for testifying and that it was politically motivated. I would also like to point out Mike Dipaolo and Rich Martin did not provide me with information, I provided it to them as the IA coordinator for the FSDO I did my job and researched it. Mr. Martin may have done his own researched which he testified to. Rich you wanted your IA so you could save money and do your own annuals and you were not going to take no for answer. No Rich I have no desire to meet with you when you spend so much time telling stories about me that are not true why would I believe you now. I am sure will you still try to rebut everything in the Decision, I also hope any evidence you use to rebut is before 2003.
    I do have one quick question where does it say that a DOM for a 135 has to have an IA? CFR14 119.71(e) I did read your article above. Most DOM's that worked on large aircraft that I knew did not have one, because they didn't need it. The little 135 guys did.
     

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