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Muslim woman removed from Southwest Airlines flight: FlightAware

Discussion in 'Airport News, Talk & Discussion' started by Lord Leighton, Apr 22, 2016.

  1. Lord Leighton

    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

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    Muslim woman removed from Southwest Airlines flight
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    A Muslim woman was asked to get off a plane without any explanation after she asked her neighbour to switch seats.
    The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) has called for an investigation of a possible “bias motive” as the woman was of Somali descent and was wearing a headscarf.
    Hakima Abdulle was told to disembark a Southwest Airlines plane at a Chicago airport after she asked the man next to her whether she could move to the aisle seat, and he had agreed.
    She was traveling alone on a connecting flight to help a pregnant family member in Seattle, according to Zainab Chaudry, the Maryland Outreach Manager at CAIR.
    A flight attendant then approached Ms Abdulle and said they were not allowed to swap seats, despite the airline’s policy of unassigned seating.
    Ms Abdulle asked why she could not switch. The flight attendant did not adequately respond and asked her to get off the plane.
    When police asked the flight attendant at the gate if there was any reason why Ms Abdulle had been taken off the plane, the flight attendant replied “No” and that she “not feel comfortable” with the passenger.
    Ms Abdulle asked to speak to a supervisor and was rebooked on a flight to Seattle several hours later.
    “She suffered acute distress and anxiety as a result of this experience. She was publicly humiliated before a plane full of passengers,” said Ms Chaudry, who has called for an investigation and a formal apology by Southwest Airlines and to reimburse Ms Abdulle’s airfare.
    Her husband, Abukar Fadaw, who spoke on his wife’s behalf at a press conference to discuss the incident while Ms Abdulle was in Seattle, said his wife became upset.
    “She was crying in front of everybody,” he said.
    He asked the flight attendant over the phone to explain why his wife was being escorted off the plane as she spoke limited English.
    “They ignored me,” he said.
    The couple’s lawyer, William Burgess, said it is a violation of federal law for an airline to discriminate against passengers on the basis of religion – yet he said he has received about half a dozen similar reports from Muslims this year alone.
    A statement from Southwest Airlines read: “Information available, collected at the time of the event, indicates that our employees followed proper procedures in response to this customer’s actions while onboard the aircraft. Out of respect for the customer’s privacy, we will not share specifics about her conduct or travel experience.
    It continued: “We are not in the business of removing passengers from flights without reason, our goal is to get each one of our Customers to their final destination safely. We are responsible for the comfort of all passengers and do not tolerate discrimination of any kind.”
    Ms Chaudry added the incident was part of “an alarming trend”.
    Last month a Muslim couple and their three children were asked to leave a United Airlines plane at Chicago airport after the pilot cited “safety issues”.
    The Independent
     
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  2. Lord Leighton

    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

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    "Ms Chaudry added the incident was part of “an alarming trend”.?? How about the alarming trend of Muslims (and their complicit wives) shooting innocent people around the USA? Then the Muslim the other day complaining about his removal because another Muslim(who understood the language) reported him for mentioning a known terrorist organization while speaking to someone on a cell phone on a plane. That is pretty much the equivalent to saying the word "Bomb" at an airport. PCness can go to hell or this country is on its way to it.
     
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    RetiredCaptain Hangar Associate Member V

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    Yup, the religion of peace. I trust them about as far as I can throw them.
     
  4. BJMLoLLaG

    BJMLoLLaG Hangar Silver Member II

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    You'd be very tired at the end of the day ! (LoL)
     
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    BJMLoLLaG Hangar Silver Member II

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    Bear in mind though, there are more innocent people killed by law enforcement agencies than by this group !!
     
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    BJMLoLLaG Hangar Silver Member II

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    OK this is"Lawyer talk", but this woman of Somali descent had made an arrangement with another passenger who was happy to accommodate her, the "flight attendant" however must have felt that this should have been asked to her and that it would then be up to her to mediate (I am just guessing here, but a lot of "officials" have an inflated sense of authority and act on it in a way that if it would happen to me, I certainly would complain to the airline - bear in mind that there is a no specific assignment of the seating with this Airline"
    For the remarks made, I could counter that the "flight attendant" possibly might have been a member of a "white supremacist" group, throwing her authority around........
    People are people for I could also say that the flight attendant just had a rough night without sex or had the beginning of "her period" therefor being more sensitive, "Hell both ladies could suffer from it !", causing this clash.
    A lot of people quite easily get upset being involved in a situation they are not prepared for and I must say that I fear that if I had made the arrangement with the gentleman to switch seats, no flight attendant would give a "rat's ass" about it, specially considering the airline's seating policy.
     
  7. John L. Sullivan

    John L. Sullivan Hangar Bronze Member II

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    Those of us with a little, or a lot, of gray and still have our teeth are pretty tolerant of this world. The frustration is that being politically correct and the requirement to acquiesce to certain groups is getting out of hand. Cabin crews are now required to participate in overly extensive sensitivity training these days, so I doubt the preponderance of guilt rests with the crew. It would be interesting to know how many folks are required to deplane each day, but I would wager being of a specific religion is not the major cause. After all, most terrorists are Christian elderly grandmothers, so the lady involved was not characterized unfairly.

    John L.
     
  8. Lord Leighton

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    I would guess that reruns of the 'Beverly Hillbillies" will be banned soon because 'Granny Clampett" was not PC correct. Well in the USA I've always thought that everyone had equal rights at least in concept and law. This PC thing is trying to dictate EXTRA rights. There well may be more to the main story and it seems like there are a few things missing in it, but as we all know the media likes to omit or add things to fit a PC false narrative these days. I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "Stick your PC up your A$$". The majority here are getting real tired of this lately and this trend will start to disappear in Jan 2017 IF the right candidate is elected.
     
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  9. John L. Sullivan

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    I see a vast difference between discrimination and taking fair and appropriate steps to provide for one's survival and that if those with who's safety they are entrusted. I am not so much against extra rights for a "class" that historically has suffered as a result of discrimination, as I am against the current discrimination of the PC crowd against those "classes" they don't like.

    I agree that the majority is fed up with the PC crowd; the problem is so many of that majority will not vote the lesser of two evils, and thus concede election to the greater of the two evils when the candidate closest to their own views disagrees with them on one point.

    I am not sure who is the right candidate, but I am sure I will not vote for a Socialist, or a person who leaves troopers without air support when it was available.

    John L.
     
  10. Exuma Guy

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    Naturally I'm biased towards flight crews, but I've seen many times where the crews were just wrong. I don't have the rest of the story on this article, so I will relate some anecdotal experience. On my last United flight, I was identified as a level 1 threat by a flight attendant. Of the many ironies on that flight, which most of the passengers around me were bitching about in Chinese, the biggest for me stood out when I showed my business card to the lead flight attendant who then stated that he didn't think I was a threat after all.

    United Airlines has some good people, but they are over-shadowed by too many rude fat incompetent assholes that should have been terminated a long time ago. As relates to the original post, I withhold judgement until I see the rest of the story.
     
  11. Lord Leighton

    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

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    United should make their ever changing CEOs and other high up decision makers/board members within the company fly as secretly and incognito as possible on flights of various lengths and venues. I bet they would learn more in 3 months than they would in one decade.
    Eg, I bet the Lead F/A stood up straight and took notice upon reading yer biz card? ;)
     
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    Without giving a specific reason the catch all phrase " not feeling comfortable" Doesn't cut it. She, the Flight attendant stated directly to the police that there was no reason. Seat swapping go's on all the time especially for us Avgeeks who want the window seats. Whats next, she had on the same dress so I did not feel comfortable!!!!
     
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    If you had a dress on, I would feel uncomfortable. :D
     
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    If the board members sat in economy on their long-hauls, they would order changes immediately, me thinks.

    The lead F/A had figured out I was airline before I showed him my card. After describing the problems encountered, the kicker was when I told him that one of the old fat bitches in the aft cabin asked the young lady next to me if she wanted to change seats. The young lady is my wife. I asked the lead if I had reasons to raise my voice. That is when he deemed that I wouldn't cause any problems during the flight, and none of the old fat bitches bothered us after that.

    My next trip to the US will include a look at the Middle East 3 because United Airlines pissed me off for the last time.
     
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    Exactly-these manic muslims are a pain in the arse (to you guys in the US-butt),where ever you go in the World this lot will cause upsets and request special treatment over other folk--well done Southwest for sticking to your rules...
     
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    So far !.
     
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    If this passenger was not a muslim you would not be reading about it at all..
     
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    Ha ha.:):)
     
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    Think I'll start off loading some pax.of my own.Seems to be an increasing trend of land grabbing ,weapon developing and manufacturing,conniving and manipulating ,barging and occupyin foreign lands trend happy people on our flights.The Chinese are welcome tho.
     
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    No more special previledges to come into the cockpit to have a look see and take snaps of the Mighty Karakorams either...
     
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