1. Welcome to SocialHangar.net! The place where everything Airlines is shared, discussed and debated. Whether you're a frequent traveler or a fan of airliners and airports you'll be able to find what you need here...so browse around, take a look and register if you like what you see. Registration is simple...just click on the 'Sign Up Now' link to the right of this message to get your FREE account (you can also choose to register using Facebook). Once you register this message will disappear. Hope you'll join us!

Just as I suspected.... Lion Air crash.....

Discussion in 'Latest Airline Incidents' started by Exuma Guy, Nov 6, 2018.

  1. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2012
    Messages:
    7,911
    Likes Received:
    18,785
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    HAL says "no" to Dave!

     
    Kevin, Lord Leighton and Rotorruss like this.
  2. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2012
    Messages:
    7,911
    Likes Received:
    18,785
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    First commuter controlled aircraft. Ignored the pilots attempt to go around!!!

     
  3. Exuma Guy

    Exuma Guy Hangar Silver Member V

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2012
    Messages:
    3,026
    Likes Received:
    7,501
    Trophy Points:
    401
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    Bahamas Bahamas
    As mentioned previously, there have been close calls. This aircraft was below 5000'. The close calls happened at much higher altitudes and on Airbus which has a procedure for it. American Airlines is a huge operator of B-737 and now 737Max. Their PR Office put out a notice that Boeing never told them about the new stall protection feature that the -200 to -900 did not have. None of AAL's pilots have been trained for faulty stall protection. The FAA's certification branch was definitely sleeping on this one, same as for the B-787 lithium battery problem.
     
  4. Rotorruss

    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    1,975
    Likes Received:
    3,613
    Trophy Points:
    251
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    ...well said, EG. The revolving door allowed the slug that approved the 787 battery and is in charge of the "regulator's'' safety standards!! It's by the grace of God there hasn't been more bloodshed!! If the "biggly one" has a plan, hopefully, it will be put into place soon.
     
  5. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2012
    Messages:
    7,911
    Likes Received:
    18,785
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    As i said flight standards in DC has to be shut down. No one knows what they are doing.

    I have learned the hard way after being forced out of the FAA, that they do not want people with management ability.

    I had an ATP and an A&P/IA as well as business management experience and they threw me away like an old rag....
     
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2018
  6. Rotorruss

    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    1,975
    Likes Received:
    3,613
    Trophy Points:
    251
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    .... plainly put, the manufacturer and the "regulator" have blood on their hands for not telling the operators of difference. Every FSB aircraft report is supposed to have any difference training and checking for the make, model and series. The "regulator's" safety lapses are "yuge" and shows a failure in their collaboration and compliance philosophy. The emergency AD won't help those 189 lives lost because it should have been recognized from the start! Incompetent manufacturer and "regulator" got those people killed!! The corrupt elites need to pay for their sinful acts!
     
  7. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2012
    Messages:
    7,911
    Likes Received:
    18,785
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    If it was a US operator, it would have hit the fan. The FAA luck is still holding. A crash like that in the US would have emptied the top brass from the FAA.........
     
  8. Lord Leighton

    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2013
    Messages:
    14,748
    Likes Received:
    31,197
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    I watched that live! Lotsa 'Hoopla' before this 'flight. If I remember rightly, there were souls on board and most didn't die. Publicity stunt gone wrong much? I went :eek:!!! I said "Who needs weed whackers?!!!"
     
    Everett 757 and Rotorruss like this.
  9. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2012
    Messages:
    7,911
    Likes Received:
    18,785
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    :D
     
    Everett 757 and Rotorruss like this.
  10. Rotorruss

    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    1,975
    Likes Received:
    3,613
    Trophy Points:
    251
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    ....the "regulator's" new cold soak testing!:rolleyes:
     
    Everett 757 and Lord Leighton like this.
  11. Lord Leighton

    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2013
    Messages:
    14,748
    Likes Received:
    31,197
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States

    Even better! :D

    Obama pole licker.jpg
     
  12. Rotorruss

    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    1,975
    Likes Received:
    3,613
    Trophy Points:
    251
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
  13. Lord Leighton

    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2013
    Messages:
    14,748
    Likes Received:
    31,197
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    Is this their way of mandating pilotless A/C? These Globalist CEOs need to reined in.
     
    Everett 757 and Rotorruss like this.
  14. Rotorruss

    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    1,975
    Likes Received:
    3,613
    Trophy Points:
    251
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    ... strange way to promote pilotless aircraft. This appears to be a complete automation failure and the crew was out of the loop. I can't imagine not knowing a new system and the EP for a malfunction. If it was as simple as and autopilot disconnect, then why the emergency AD?? I smell a cover-up CYA!!
     
  15. Exuma Guy

    Exuma Guy Hangar Silver Member V

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2012
    Messages:
    3,026
    Likes Received:
    7,501
    Trophy Points:
    401
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    Bahamas Bahamas
    My understanding is that auto-trim functions separate from the A-P during over-speed recovery. Hence turning off the A-P will not stop the trimming. This is where the training failed. The auto-trim must be turned off by switches on the center pedestal.
     
  16. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2012
    Messages:
    7,911
    Likes Received:
    18,785
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    I think there is a problem because the aircraft is fly by-wire and the auto trim system is not fly by-wire. Hence it is not turned of when the auto pilot is turned off!

    Definitely a problem waiting to happen and in this case it cause a fatal crash?

    I an sure to disconnect procedure is there but it seems no one knew about it?
     
  17. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2012
    Messages:
    7,911
    Likes Received:
    18,785
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    Say Guy ......in the Airbus does the auto trim shut off when disconnecting the auto pilot?
     
  18. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2012
    Messages:
    7,911
    Likes Received:
    18,785
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
  19. Rotorruss

    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    1,975
    Likes Received:
    3,613
    Trophy Points:
    251
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    ...it it tragic that the "regulator" didn't evaluate and recognize the difference. The FSB doesn't say much of anything about the system and any EPs for a failure.
     

    Attached Files:

    Everett 757 and Lord Leighton like this.
  20. Lord Leighton

    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2013
    Messages:
    14,748
    Likes Received:
    31,197
    Trophy Points:
    926
    Gender:
    Male
    Country:
    United States United States
    They kept it out, for some reason that seems lame and bogus to me. In a rush to compete with Airbus?
     
    Everett 757 and Rotorruss like this.

Share This Page