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I am not going around!!

Discussion in 'Latest Airline Incidents' started by Richard Wyeroski, Mar 3, 2019.

  1. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    I am not going around. A go around in a large jet costs the airline hundreds of extra dollars. So you can cut it a little close and save all that money..........:eek:

     
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    Nassau ATC follows mainly FAA rules for separation. If the controller can maintain 4000' between aircraft on the runway, he/she can issue a landing clearance. It is legal to touchdown when another aircraft is on the runway provided 4000' separation is maintained until 1 aircraft clears the runway. In this case (when Bahamasair had good airplanes instead of crap ATRs), with 3358 meters runway length, there is plenty of room, and the Dash-8 was clear when the landing plane touched down anyway. This was standard practice in Miami for years until they enlarged the third runway to accommodate airliners. The cost of a go-around can easily exceed a thousand dollars because that aircraft won't be doing a simple circuit. They will re-sequenced after the string of arrivals. In the New York tracon, you know what this means. However, most pilots don't care if their airline has to pay more money for fuel.

    Not demeaning your judgement at all, just adding a little back-ground knowledge for non-pilots.
     
  3. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    It looke close but I suppose one has to be up in the tower. If that first aircraft had a problem I suppose the other could have still went a round?

    I will say I never landed on a runway with another plane on it.
     
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    Perfect timing with that instance, I say.
     
  5. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Easy to make a mistake and the risk is .........a major crash. Say Guy is the Bahamas that busy that they operate with 4000 foot Seperation ?

    I remember when I was in Dallas and and I noticed on this particular day that here was a line of endless aircraft with one mile Seperation (5,280') landing at night one after another. All was going perfectly .......a great job by ATC!.....and it occurs everywhere until a fly get into the ointment ...!
     
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    Depending on the lens or setting on the camera (if not a cell phone) telephoto shots compress visually the actual distance between objects. So there may be more room than the video depicts. Worked out perfectly the Dash-8 cleared the runway as the Jet Blue Airbus touched down. Never seen this done before with another aircraft that has not cleared the active runway. But then again you learn something new every day.
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    I timed when the first aircraft turned off the runway and when the second turned off at the same point on the runway. Elapsed time was 45 seconds. Now that is what I call pretty tight spacing!
     
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    Of the 52 public use airports in the 700 islands of the Bahamas, Nassau is the busiest by far. Just to clarify, the standard separation at the Final Approach Fix is 5 miles, same as Miami, Dallas, LAX, LaGuardia, and any high density airport in the US as well as many foreign airports like Singapore, Hong Kong, and Bangkok (However these 3 require the preceding aircraft be clear of the runway before the following aircraft touches down). Over the FAF, speed is reduced by the leading aircraft more than the following aircraft and the separation diminishes, hence the 4000' rule. In the US and Bahamas, visual approaches are routinely issued after the pilot confirms visual sighting of the preceding traffic, and then spacing becomes the pilots' responsibility. The A-320 crew always has the option of doing a go-around, and I've seen many airliners do go-arounds in FLL and MIA because the pilots were not comfortable with the spacing (and many forget to raise the gear too :p). It's normal to receive landing clearance from the tower at 700'. Of course, these procedures stop when the weather goes IMC which explains the delays from simple rain. Back in the day of the Twin Beech, I would fly parallel to the final approach into Miami at my lowly 120 knots until the controller could side-step me into the fast traffic, usually at less than 1000' altitude. It was understood that I was to clear the runway expeditiously which can be hazardous in a Twin Beech.
     

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