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Eastern is gone...again

Discussion in 'Latest Airline News' started by Orca17, Nov 24, 2017.

  1. Orca17

    Orca17 Hangar Bronze Member VI

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    The reborn Eastern Air Lines is officially out of business. On November 20, 2017, EAL surrendered its Air Operator's Certificate to the Department of Transportation.

    As a descendant of several people who were part of the inception and early operation of the original Eastern, I hoped that the airline would be successful. On the other hand, I knew that this wasn't the Eastern that my family helped to build and operate. Like so many attempts to revive well-known names from the past, this one hasn't ended well. The world that greeted the new Eastern was far different from the one left behind when its namesake predecessor flew its last flight.

    The Eastern Air Lines Rebirth Dream Comes to a Rapid End
     
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    Exuma Guy Hangar Silver Member V

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    That little crash at LaGuardia with Vice-President Pence onboard didn't help...
     
  3. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    .....Ironically China had a big piece of this airline. They also had on order 50 of the Chinese C919 single isle airliner.

    It was interesting that the DOT would issue an operating certificate to an airlines with financial control by China?

    I personally called the DOT Certificafication Office and asked them about The New Easterns falliation with the Chinese government. The individual I spoke to did not have any information about this situation?



    >>>>>>>>>>>>INTERESTING<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...-in-eastern-air-revival-idUSLNE8AC00N201211130
     
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  4. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    ......Ask the question. How can an airline get an operating certificate in the US that has direct financial ties to China. Who in our government at that time would allow this? Something sure smells and it has the former Obama Administration connected to it???

    I did a piece in AIRNATION back in 2014 about the New Eastern. I think we had a hell of a discussion on this airline. If you have the time look at all the threads and maybe our Government should look into this story.

    AN ATTEMPT BY CHINA TO START AN AIRLINE IN THE UNITED STATES!!
    http://www.socialhangar.net/threads...ines-is-eddie-turning-over-in-his-grave.9250/
     
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  5. Orca17

    Orca17 Hangar Bronze Member VI

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    I remember bringing this up in another forum, and I was eviscerated by someone who swore that there was no Chinese investment in the airline.
     
  6. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Well.....it will come out now that President Trump is in the White House...

    People can swear all they want but the fact is,....where does the money come from? An investor could but an agent for the Chinese or working for Chinese interests. No one really knows until it comes out. I believe this will be in the news more and more....Let's see

    BTW the 2012 article by Reuters (listed above) reeks of a connection between The Chinese, their aircraft manufacturer COMAC and Eastern!!
     
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  7. Rotorruss

    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

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    ...the feds don't look past the paperwork. If it isn't on a form, then it doesn't matter. This isn't the only case of foreign interest in a US company. Just like DBAs, interests are easily hidden until the "big one" happens, then the "principles" get hung out while the "management" gets promoted. They don't have to know anything about aviation, just follow what their "orders" say.

    "Drain the Swamp" and "lock the revolving door"!!
     
  8. Lord Leighton

    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

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    Not to mention, the new one was bankrolled by the Chinese in an attempt to bust into the US airline market.
     
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    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

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    It might've been me. Can't remember the details off hand.
     
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  10. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Like many things going on in government, this situation warrants an investigation. However I find it interesting that Eastern pulled the plug and turned in their air carrier certificate?

    I believe under Obama, it was okay but the Trump Administration appointed a new DOT Secretary and it may have come to light. Eastern management realized their Chinese connection was exposed and closed down. Let the investigation begin!!!!
     
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    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

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    Yep, and just after President Trump came back from Asia. Draining their swamp too. :p
     
  12. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    .....No chapter 11? Maybe their main backer pulled the plug and the money dried up. Millions spent, aircraft on order, it seemed the New Eastern was well on their way?

    Definitely strange!
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    BTW here is another AIRNATION thread from February 2015 on the New Eastern and the Chinese airliner COMAC C-919.

    Add in Chinese built Airbus and Boeing aircraft

    The whole New Eastern Certification was fast tracked by the FAA. I expect Administrator Huerta had his orders from the Obama White House.

    The DOT did not properly Investigate the investors in the New Eastern

    Ironically Now that President Trump is in the White House this story maybe suppressed by the main stream media. o_O

    I guess I will try and contact Fox News with this story as it is getting out there!!

    When all the political games by the past Administration are added up it looks like an attempt to destroy the US Aviation Industry.

    What do you all out there say?????

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>MORE<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    http://www.socialhangar.net/threads/boeing-737s-built-in-china.16909/page-2
     
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    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

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    ... I'm sure the IG has all kinds of lapses identified. "Compliance Philosophy" isn't being use correctly. The "Flight Standards" reorganization is a "high 3 retirement maker"! It has no improved "safety value". By pure luck, the "big one" hasn't happened yet. I voiced my concerns years ahead of the crash that left me injured and disabled. They didn't want to listen to my concerns. Now they are trying to get me to go away.

    "DRAIN THE SWAMP"!!
     
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    Obama is ISIS.jpg

    Ya think!?
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    .....The bottom line is that the "new" Eastern had financial ties to China. The Obama Administration allowed them to be Certified as a US carrier. A DOJ investigation is warranted!!!
     
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    Rotorruss Hangar Silver Member III

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    ...if the certificate was surrendered or the "foreign influence" has stopped, the investigation will say that the "non-compliance" has stopped under the "compliance philosophy". If any internal investigation happens, they will hang the "principles". They will never get the "upper management" for "allowing" a non-compliance. "Principles" are expendable.

    "Drain the 'self serving upper management' Swamp"!!
     
  18. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    I would think under the Trump Administration that this would be added to the list of investigations. After all Hillary was Secretary of State and there was no vetting because of all the deals flying around under Obama. This situation could be part of the big overall picture to ruin America as a super power under Obama!!!

    I know, it's politics, but the pieces will fit together.....We came real close to losing our country under a "new" Clinton Administration....

    Let the investigations begin..........
     
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    ...I can't disagree with the need for an investigation. Nothing had changed in the last 20 years. If there was an "order" to allow such a "non-compliance", it would have been done by telephone. The only people that has their name on the "paperwork" will be left hanging. Depending on if the people who "certificated" the operator has retired there may not be anyone to "hang".

    There are "yuge" gaps in the "Safety Standards" group since the "reorganization". It's just a matter of time before the "big one" happens!!! FY2018 could be a very bad year! The more they keep "delegating", the less "relevant" they become. It could be time to scale back what the "Fake" Aviation Administration does to just regulating air commerce and maintaining the National Airspace System. The rest could be "designees" and not on the government payroll.

    "Drain the Swamp" and "lock the revolving door" so the "great pilot" can "right the ship" starting Jan 2018.
     

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