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Cessna 414 crashes into house

Discussion in 'Airplane, Aircraft & Jumbo Jet Talk' started by Richard Wyeroski, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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  2. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    I just saw a door bell video that ironically picked up the last few seconds of this flight! It went straight in and crashed. There was no mayday from that pilot. Maybe he was incapacitated?

    The NTSB is looking into that possible cause!

    The only good thing is no one on the ground was hurt or killed. The pilot was to sole occupant.......:(

    Door bell video
    https://news.yahoo.com/doorbell-video-catches-plane-crashing-203722922.html
     
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    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

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    :( RIP
     
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    Everett 757 Hangar Silver Member VII

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    So sad. :( Another one.......
     
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    Exuma Guy Hangar Silver Member VI

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    Looks like incapacitation. Maybe fell asleep. What do you think about flight deck cameras for NTSB use only?
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    The cost will be too much for G/A aircraft. Would pilots want a camera in the cockpit?
     
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    Who knows? That's a touchy subject. Would have to be tied to a CVR and lotsa smaller A/C don't have those. I know some cops turn off their body cameras(My whatever hit the off switch) at times but sleepin ain't one of them. Isn't there already some device that wakes people up when they've nodded off? I know some cars do.
     
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    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

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    This just came out today and I made a separate post in 'Other' about it, but I'm sure this coulda helped this pilot(maybe not in a 414 yet).
    Autoland Is Garmin's Newest Safety Feature

    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...-10-30/autoland-garmins-newest-safety-feature
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    The cost has to be too high. It could easily exceed the value of some of these older cabin class twins.

    I think the only way is to tighten up on the training requirements. Maybe require yearly certification. Another possibility is insurance companies might require minimum trading hours per year.

    There has been to many of these crashes of cabin class turbo charged pressurized twins crashing and crashing into houses killing the public.

    If something is not done, the FAA is going to get out their shot gun and shoot flies off the wall!
     
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    Lord Leighton Hangar Gold Member I

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    Regardless of the cost, you have to admit that this device is invaluable. Volume always decreases prices as it evolves and especially if it involves more A/C types. As more single pilot jets are being offered and pressurized turbo/turbine twins around, I bet most of these recent type accidents would be eliminated and that's good news for the innocent on the ground too.
     
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    Exuma Guy Hangar Silver Member VI

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    There is a device that sounds an alarm if the head tilts, but if the head tilts because of unconsciousness, an alarm won't matter.
    Same for the Garmin auto-land- if the pilot is unconscious, he/she can't arm it.
    Cameras can be installed in the flight deck for $20. They don't have to be tied in to complex CVRs or FDRs.
    It would save a bunch of money for the NTSB because incapacitation could be identified quickly during an investigation.
    Airline pilots have strongly objected to flight-deck cameras because the video will be used for enforcement.
    Even if the camera video has protections in the regulations, airlines will do what they did with FDR data.
    They installed separate FDRs as part of the company's property, and used those for enforcement.
    However, most small aircraft operators don't have labor/management issues,
    and the FAA can be regulated from using flight deck video for enforcement actions.
    For the price of 4 gallons of avgas, a flight deck camera can be installed.
    I think it would be a tremendous addition to accident investigation and to the safety contributions from those investigations.
     
  13. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    I never saw anything installed in an aircraft that cheap.
     
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    Aah, but it DOES arm itself upon pilot incapacitation. Dunno if ya watched the video or not. In this particular incident, I'd bet the pilot had a heart attack.
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Cabin class twins are a dying breed. High maintenance and pilot proficiency is key.

    Ironically they can be bought for low prices. Eventually insurance companies will crackdown
     
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