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737 Max accidents

Discussion in 'Latest Airline Incidents' started by Richard Wyeroski, Jul 16, 2020.

  1. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    A lot has been written about these two crashes

    346 dead!

    What was the cause?

    Pilot error or is it completely Boeing’s fault? A lot to discuss.

    Where was the FAA?

    I personally have talked with MAX pilots. They say the aircraft is safe and exceptional to fly!

    Boeing has been bleeding money for over a year!

    Hell could we lose Boeing? 400 thousand employees!

    Yet FAA has done little!

    My 50 years in aviation and being a former FAA inspector tells me something “Stinks”

    let’s discuss it
     
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  2. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Is the aircraft safe? IMO yes with a properly trained crew. The FAA is slow on returning the MAX because they literally had no one qualified to make that decision. The procedure is to have time go by and evaluate, test and then see. No one in FAA management wants to make the decision to retiring the MAX to flying status.

    Meanwhile Boeing is bleeding cash at the rate of 200 MILLION a month and has shut down the production line. Vendors are in trouble and if something is not done soon Boeing possibly go chapter 11!

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    https://www.chronicleonline.com/opi...cle_27b6d8ba-07f0-11ea-8b19-7be6b21e8ce1.html
     
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    Everett 757 Hangar Silver Member VII

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    I would not want to see Boeing go bankrupt, but they brought a lot of grief on themselves, with the 737 MAX situation. Of course I understand the COVID-19 was not something they had any control over, and that really hurt them, in sales, orders, production, etc.
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Yes no one wants to see Boeing go chapter 11. The FAA and Boeing came to an agreement behind closed doors to allow the company to save money by allowing the 737 MAX to be certified with out requiring a new “TYPE CERTIFICATE”. This saved Boeing a few hundred million in certifications costs and time!

    Was this right? No it was a deal to save money. A new type certificate obviously would have took time and money.

    The MAX was a different aircraft, being much larger, wider with large engines and many new systems. It needed and required a new recertification program!

    The fact is the FAA got caught allowing Boeing to do this. The FAA has egg on their face and 346 people died in two separate accidents !

    Ironically a well trained crew could have handled this emergency.

    Another factor that Boeing and the FAA did not want is a recertification of the aircraft would have required a separate “TYPE RATING” for all pilots that would fly the MAX.

    No one wins here. People died, Boeing may go chapter 11 and the FAA is caught doing an illegal certification !!!!!
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    I discovered when I joined the FAA that there were many incompetent managers and inspectors. Politics prevailed and anyone that bucked the norm would be singled out harassed suspended and eventually fired!

    I last over 4 years as an operations inspector . It simply amazed me, that FAA management was so incompetent!

    So when the MAX was being certified the FAA had no one qualified to conduct a true certification of the aircraft. Those inspectors did what they were told and checked the boxes and were controlled by management .

    So why did this happen? IMO the FAA has literally forced out qualified employees and hired those that would go with the flow!

    A year and four months have gone by and the FAA and Boeing are still at a stand still.

    Politics and the revolving door between FAA and the manufacturers caused this problem.

    One day it may change?

    I always said that I would be available to go before a congressional hearing and tell my story of corruption in the FAA.

    Will it happen? Only GOD knows..........
     
  6. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    I think Boeing will soon go chapter 11. The FAA is not moving and time is going by. No one really is looking at the FAA’s in action to do “SOMETHING” The Corona pandemic and the election is in the news and the problems Boeing is suffering does not mean much.

    The FAA has been shut down for the last four months with all inspectors and personnel staying home. They are still being paid BTY. Why.......politics!

    ATC personnel are still working as they are essential. All FAA offices are shut down!

    Is this Bravo Sierra or what?

    So nothing is being done and Boeing continues to bleed money!

    Think if all FAA personnel are laid off and have to go on unemployment maybe they would want to go back to work

    Imagine being paid 130 k a year , that is an average salary, to sit on your but at home!

    What’s The answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  7. Richard Wyeroski

    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Is the FAA afraid or not qualified to allow the MAX to fly?

    SURE LOOKS THAT WAY........
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    Boeing is bleeding and the FAA is sitting at home!

    No one will make the decision to release the MAX to fly!

    Looks like the Chinese will be the only airframe manufacturer .......
     
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    Everett 757 Hangar Silver Member VII

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    It’s sad to see this happening to a once great company.
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    A big part of Boeings problems happened because Boeing management decided to develope much of their latest aircraft designs overseas.

    As much as 70% of the 787 was designed overseas. Manufacturing of aircraft parts and components were overseas.Management wanted to by pass the union by building many parts overseas......I can understand some of the development, but not 70%

    The MAX software was developed overseas in India because software development costs were cheaper!

    Why overseas, how much do they save? Building parts all around the world saves money, but it causes problems when one has too many vendors! Parts did not fit properly on the assembly line causing delays.

    Remember when the 787 had battery fires and the aircraft was grounded by the FAA for over 6 months. Those battery were built in Japan! Why Japan?

    So what happened to Boeing? ....Simply poor management .....

    Thanks
     
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    Everett 757 Hangar Silver Member VII

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    You’re right, and the biggest problems began when they moved headquarters to Chicago.
     
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    I've seen a few articles here and there that Boeing is going to rename the plane.
     
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    Personally, as I've stated before, I think Boeing was infiltrated from within to try to destroy the biggest Company in the US. When 'management' lets Wall St.(the Cabal) run it, well, we seen what happened.
     
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    I heard someone say after a lengthy investigation that the not fully disclosed system was "Designed by a buncha monkeys" and were completely incompetent. Was this all done on purpose one might wonder?
     
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    Richard Wyeroski Hangar Gold Member I

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    You may have something there LL
     
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